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Panayotis C. Yannopoulos's avatar

Dimitris, well done again! I suggest, if you agree, that you present some of the most compelling evidence in the lecture you are going to give as a guest speaker of IHA.

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Marc Linquist's avatar

Hello Professor, I came to this site from reading some of your work on Researchgate. Your, "The superiority of refined reservoir routing (RRR) in modelling atmospheric carbon dioxide" for example, was one I found interesting and I am going to read through it several times more to get as much out of it as I can. My interest is in that resident time of radio carbon 14. That variable, I feel, will be where the IPCC will eventually be made irrelevant.

Have you by chance seen?

"Observations of diapycnal upwelling within a sloping submarine canyon"

Published: 26 June 2024

Bethan L. Wynne-Cattanach et al.

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-024-07411-2

Walter Munk in the 1960's had estimated that the rate at which the cold bottom water of the abyssal plain returned to the surface was of the order of one centimeter per day. A volume, that at the time in the 1960's, was inferred but never directly measured and unfortunately would be to slow to actually measure. Recently, Alford et al. 2024, has directly observed several upwelling sites proceeding at 100 meters per day. A rate of more than 10,000 times the global average predicted by Munk. I suspect this volume is a variable with higher values driven by geothermal sources.

"Here we show vigorous near-bottom upwelling across isopycnals at a rate of the order of 100 metres per day, coupled with adiabatic exchange of near-boundary and interior fluid. These observations were made using a dye released close to the seafloor within a sloping submarine canyon, and they provide direct evidence of strong, bottom-focused diapycnal upwelling in the deep ocean. This supports previous suggestions that mixing at topographic features, such as canyons, leads to globally significant upwelling. The upwelling rates observed were approximately 10,000 times higher than the global average value required for approximately 30 × 106 m3 s−1 of net upwelling globally."

This undoubtably would complicate the IPCC's narrative. The Carbon transport in this would be interesting to know precisely, but saying it's probably massive would be a good start.

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